topic Re: internet browser & bravia rant in Other TVs

internet browser & bravia rant

durian40 — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 10:46:30 GMT

bought my first bravia smart tv. also have a PS2 PS3 PSP

sony oh sony oh sony, why do none of these devices have decent web browsers?

and as for having to use the remote control to toggle around text input, well that is an absolute joke. ARE you seriously telling me that a usb keyboard or mouse is an unrecognised device?

have you ever tried surfing the web on a remote control sony? you must be out of your mind.

and as for not being able to use my sony PS3 camera and mic?... you really are taking the mickey sony.

Its a sony device with a cam and a mic, WHY CANT I PLUG THIS IN AND SKYPE?

sony you really need to learn some lessons with your hardware and stop ripping customers off by forcing them to buy your usb cam/mic (which i certainly wont)

and as for not being able to record tv to a usb device under 32Gb.... oh come you are stupid, why i cant i record a few tv clips to a 16Gb key?

lots to learn sony, i think this will be my last ever sony internet enabled device

on the plus side, it is a nice tv set with nice features....

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internet browser & bravia rant

Catmambo — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 13:46:18 GMT

Hi Durian

Thanks for the post - you do make some valid points. Its worth noting that this is the first generation of TV's with Opera web browser so it has yet to reach maturity in terms of the experience, and this is likely the same for all manufacturers. Most of the consumer research shows that the majority of people don't want a USB keyboard or mouse attached to the TV.

There is a smartphone app which allows for much easier text input - available for Android and IOS and you may have seen the keyboard which ships with the Google TV products in the US. The experince is still evolving.

Personally, its far easier to surf the web on a tablet or laptop whilst surfing as they have a lot more power, memory and driver support for things like flash. Plus its far simpler to input text on these devices. TV browers are in some ways mainly utilised by broadcasters to allow them to deliver services like BBC iPlayer etc..

Be pleased to hear any other comments rants/praise are all good feedback..

Thanks

internet browser & bravia rant

durian40 — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:20:23 GMT

its good to know there is an app.

sony support keyboard and mouse input on the PS3......

USB text input should be defacto, its a usb device requiring text input.

I must say the browser is a slight improvement over the PS3, which is truly dreadful.

These machines are sold with an 'internet available' angle. Infancy or not, it needs to be esay to use. You say most people dont want a usb keyboard on the tv, but do folk really want to have to type this for example

www.sony.co.uk/discussions/post!reply.jspa?message=679450

let alone logging in to facebook, status updates, twitter text entry.....

maybe the tv wont see so many 'browser users' but it will see the heavily flaunted 'widgets' of twitter and facebook up the side of the tv screen. personally i love it.

what i think is awful are the graphics of the two widgets, they look like they come from 800x600 vga 8 bit graphics card

and these widgets, need (in some cases) A HUGE AMOUNT OF TEXT ENTRY....

still a nice telly tho, just over £200. nice second telly next to the 32" PS3 screen

internet browser & bravia rant

Batfinkk — Wed, 27 Jul 2011 21:47:40 GMT

Mate - you have got to be crackers typing in full URLs on your remote control... just use your laptop surely?

I don't know why people want Facebook and Twitter on the TV anyway, much easier just to use them on your smartphone.

Re: internet browser & bravia rant

Stinson108_3 — Sat, 10 Jan 2015 00:32:21 GMT

I read the rants from 2011. I wondered if I was the only one challenged. Nothng has changed in four years. In the country that learned from Juran and Deming, you'd think someone would sit with a clipboard and count the number of keystrokes required on a TV remote to enter a URL (through the T9 interface). It's an average of ten keystrokes per character. I plugged my USB keyboard in. No dice.

The company that brought us the Trinitron and the Walkman ought to be ashamed of itself. Akio Morita would make seppuku if he tried to use this product.

Re: internet browser & bravia rant

hcr_hassen — Sat, 10 Jan 2015 02:58:06 GMT

But with all due respect to the browser, which definitely could be implemented better, this is a TV. Expecting a consumer electronics device to do secondary or tertiary functions well is a sure way to get frustrated.

I'm more annoyed that primary functions are implemented horribly, like requiring 6 (or was it 7 or 😎 remote button presses to switch from classic 4:3 picture ratio to wide 16:9, or back.

Re: internet browser & bravia rant

Anonymous — Sat, 10 Jan 2015 14:12:46 GMT

@hcr_hassen

Cant you just go to the "Screen" options in the TVs display settings and set:

Target Inputs = Common

Screen Format = FULL
4:3 Default = NORMAL or Wide Zoom

Or are you one that stretches the 4:3 screens so everyone is fat?

Re: internet browser & bravia rant

Jonnie1266 — Sat, 10 Jan 2015 15:30:00 GMT

@hcr_hassen

Or how about the button on the remote ?

Re: internet browser & bravia rant

Anonymous — Sat, 10 Jan 2015 15:48:54 GMT

Unfortunately Jonnie1266 - the 2014 Bravia's no longer included that button - hence to the annoyance of HCR_Hassen (and others).

Re: internet browser & bravia rant

Jonnie1266 — Sat, 10 Jan 2015 16:17:20 GMT

Well that's technological advancement for you, I'll stick with my 2013 fossil then !

I'm sure that Sony have published questionnaires in the past regarding what should be included on the remote - I miss the 'jump' button, has that returned ?

Re: internet browser & bravia rant

Anonymous — Sat, 10 Jan 2015 17:09:57 GMT

No 'jump' button im afraid either. A dedicated 'Netflix' button and a rather....well...useless....'Football' button.

Not seen the 2015 controlers yet - who knows.

Re: internet browser & bravia rant

hcr_hassen — Mon, 12 Jan 2015 21:40:43 GMT

@Anonymous

Thanks, but the broadcast picture ratio is variable, also in the same channel and even same program (studio/live kinda things). Auto mode requires broadcast flags which aren't present, I assume, since it doesn't do anything helpful.

@Jonnie1266

Yep, had one of these buttons in the remote I had with a 2013 Sony model. But we've made great strides in UI since then. Who needs that when you have on the remote, accessible at the press a button, wonderful features such as "Football", "SEN", "Discover", "Related Search" and "Social View"? There are even 4 very colorful buttons! They don't do anything when watching broadcasts, and very little otherwise, but they sure look pretty.

For 2015 I vote for removing the channel up/down buttons. Who needs that when can just type in the channel using digits? The freed up space could be reused. Maybe add extra 2 color buttons, or maybe even 3 to complete the rainbow. Or rename the "Football" button "Soccer", and add a new "Football" button that will instead show an unclear popup window with some photo related to American football. The popup could include an option called "Real Football mode" that will add a realistic background roar of hooligans cursing and hitting each other. Oh, wait, that is soccer. Nevermind. But I do want a second teletext button on the other side, to help leftie teletext users.

Now, what's that "jump" button? Does it add a choppily animated bounce effect to the image?