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Overnight Charging?

Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:45:28 GMT

I think we all do this regularly; I keep my phone charging overnight, I watched it once, what really happens is it keeps on charging till it reaches 100% and it automatically disables charging, when it drops to 99%, it charges again till 100%, and stops till it drops back till 99% and so on..

I was wondering, is this healthy for the phone's battery?

What can I do about it?

Thanks in advance.

Re: Overnight Charging?

gwhispererz — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:48:33 GMT

It's normal. All you have to do is to unplug your phone once it is 100% charged.

Re: Overnight Charging?

Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:51:33 GMT

Yeah, but it's night and i'm sleeping, I can't wake up and unplug it, so it keeps on doing that process till morning when I wake up, just been wondering if I don't unplug, is it healthy? or should I find a way to unplug at 100% immediately?

Re: Overnight Charging?

gwhispererz — Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:57:39 GMT

No issue to worry, it pretty normal. Normally, I would off and on the main (if it is less than 100%), go wash up, by the time I go back to my phone, it is 100% CHARGED. :D.

Re: Overnight Charging?

Uliwooly — Sat, 01 Jan 2011 05:15:19 GMT

The battery shouldn't go down so fast, you probably have a lot of apps running, you can always use "Taskiller" by AxDroid LLC. its free and it works just great, FYI make sure you long press "Back up & Recovery" app and once the menu pops up click IGNORE that way once you kill all the apps that wont be kill, I noticed if you kill "Back Up & Restore" you will lose your network settings (will lose your 3G or H for few seconds).

Re: Overnight Charging?

Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:21:11 GMT

Yeah, I have one. :smileygrin: But you didn't get my question - I'm not asking why it's dropping to 99%, just wondering if it is healthy to keep the phone plugged and charging even when it reaches 100%, I think it's pretty normal though.. to keep it repeating the "process" as described above in my first post.

Re: Overnight Charging?

Uliwooly — Sat, 01 Jan 2011 18:33:08 GMT

my bad, this link will answer all your questions http://www.cellpower.com/battery_tips.cfm#Battery%20Do's%20&%20Don'ts

"A new Lithium-ion battery will benefit from an initial "conditioning" of the battery. For the first 3 charge cycles, fully charge the battery overnight and allow it to fully discharge before recharging. Once conditioned, Lithium-ion batteries will perform best when charged at a rate somewhere between a conventional slow charge and a rapid charge. When rapid charging, Lithium-ion batteries require a charger designed to charge Lithium batteries. To achieve a true full charge when rapid charging, the battery needs to be slow charged the last 10-15% of its charge cycle. Most "intelligent" desktop and Lithium-battery rapid chargers provide this capability. A Lithium-ion battery may be damaged by extensive overcharging (continuously on a charger for more than 24 hours)"

That said, your phone will stop charging once it reach 100% and start recharging once it goes down as you guys said it up there, but you don't have to keep your phone 100% all the time, if you charge your phone to 100% and your GPS, brightness turned off, wifi off and bluetooth off it wont lower your battery more than 4% over night, specially if you kill the background apps that you're not using.

Re: Overnight Charging?

suze — Sat, 01 Jan 2011 19:14:18 GMT

Just for added info....

There is a nice little app called Battery Graph free from the market which demonstrates your battery drain and charge cycle. Basically the phone charges to 100% and then stops taking charge, once the charge hits the low 90's then it starts to charge again back up to 100% and so on through the night.

I attach a copy of an old graph from my phone which displays what happens overnight during the charge cycle.

My phone is always charged overnight from around 10pm til 7am and has suffered no ill effects as far as I can see!

Re: Overnight Charging?

Mon, 03 Jan 2011 00:51:24 GMT

Your charging cycle is normal, don't worry about it, the phone controls how the battery is charged whether you leave it connected or not.

Oh and before stumbling blindly down the task killer path - do some reading. Not everyone thinks they are useful never mind required

Re: Overnight Charging?

Uliwooly — Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:42:44 GMT

Yes and No, if you kill all the apps just to kill them then no its pointless, but if you use something like watchdog so you can see what's really using up not just memory but CPU then it makes a HUGE difference.

Re: Overnight Charging?

Mon, 03 Jan 2011 23:52:33 GMT

So, you are using resources to monitor the way the system uses resources - do you not spot a certain irony there?

You must remember that Android is not windows and it manages it's memory requirements in a completely different way - it doesn't run out of memory, you don't get 'memory low' warnings because it kills background aps to claw memory back when it nees it.

At one point, everybody was recommending app killers, nowadays, as we gain more understanding on Android, opinion seems to have changed.

If the system needs an app, it will keep it running, if you kill the app then the system will restart it when it needs it. Waking a dormant app uses less memory/cpu power than restarting from cold which leaves you with a phone that's running slower than if you left it to it's own devices.

Re: Overnight Charging?

Uliwooly — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:03:38 GMT

That is true up to certain extent, not all apps behave the same and not all those apps will be killed by the system, an example of that is, if I run yahoo mail, gmail, browser, some graphing calculator, camera, messaging, voice search and angry birds (and all the other apps that run with those apps) the phone will slow down so much its hard to do anything with the x10. even if I wait or attempt to use it like this its almost impossible. So yes Android will kill some apps but not all of them (its not perfect), there's nothing wrong with monitoring my phone. It seems a bit insulting that you are generalizing how an android should be use or could be use. again its up to everybody to decide if they want to kill or not to kill one or all the apps. Like I said above, using a regular task killer its a way to guess-kill some apps that should be dormant but aren't which are slowing down your phone and draining power for no reason or use task killers like watchdog to check on apps that weren't coded properly. Don't take it personally, we are all trying to help each other here, if you feel/believe that theres no use on any type of task killer thats up to you but one thing its for sure, watchdog wont kill all the apps, only pour coded apps if you decide to kill it or uninstall it or replace it w/ another app.

Re: Overnight Charging?

Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:10:56 GMT

I know we are trying to help each other and wasn't trying to insult you. My point about task killers was there for everyone to read and offers an alternative to those that recommend them.

Quite why you would run a game, the camera etc all at once and then midst game and photography shoot take time out to monitor performance is beyone me.:smileylaugh:

It's horses for courses as the old saying goes but since I (and many others) removed task killers (either simple or advanced) our phones ran smoother and became a lot more stable.

You like task killers, I don't

Re: Overnight Charging?

Uliwooly — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 00:14:03 GMT

oh no no, not that I'm doing it all at once, but I had that situation where I'm playing music while I'm on the browser and I happen to take a picture of something random, uploaded or MMS it then switch to that addicting game then checking some emails, the phone becomes extremely slow even if I wait 30min, 1hour it's the same thing, I had to kill some apps. That's why I said to monitor the CPU not so much the memory.

Re: Overnight Charging?

Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:16:39 GMT

i.e. you need an app to avoid to manually close undesired processes... all you need is to uncheck background data when not needed, doing that force android to close all application automatically and immediately... try understanding your system before installing angry and useless apps.

Re: Overnight Charging?

Uliwooly — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:27:14 GMT

What's going on with all the rudeness and such predisposition to assume that I don't understand nor know my own phone or Android. Its rather insulting. I know Android and I know my phone and I keep learning everyday; why not Instead of trying to put people down or try to say that you are better than someone or implying that others are ignorant you could simply say, my way of solving or addressing this issue is by doing so and so, its not the only way but it works for me, my way works better for me and the way I use my phone your way or other way will be true to the way you or others use their phone.

Just a thought

Re: Overnight Charging?

Tue, 04 Jan 2011 20:36:12 GMT

As far as I am concerneed, you are welcome to use your phone just how you like but the moment anybody starts giving out information to 'new' users that could easily be misconstrued then it is up to the rest of the community to offer an alternative point of view.

This thread was abvout night time charging but your first post suggested using Task Killer - that wasn't what the question asked and wasn't really relevent. when questioned, you went on to suggest a different app (Watchdog) for monitoring system performance - again, not answering the first question.

You may well believe that task killer apps are the best thing since sliced bread but many of us don't share that view - the internet is a big place, we can't all agree

Re: Overnight Charging?

Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:11:02 GMT

just seem to be not very clever adding an "all-time active" app to get the same job that android will get done by itself in a better natural way.... taskkillers and antivirus are useless even dangerous for android at this point. Nothing personal "just a thought"

Re: Overnight Charging?

Uliwooly — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:21:54 GMT

Watchdog its not the same as a regular task killer which only monitors memory, there's a big difference, you should try it and see it for yourself, and just like everybody its entitled to do what they want with their phone, new users have the same freedom to read multiple ways to addressing certain issues. either your way, my way, or other way. and exactly my point to you a task killer its pointless since Android manage many things but as I gave an example there are certain things that Android should be doing but it doesn't quite work that way with X10 as with other androids. Task Killer (Memory) its debatable, true; a monitoring CPU task killer its different.

My suggestion on task killer was indeed relevant if there's poor coded app that keeps running in the background draining the battery either taking too much memory which for the most part Android handle and solve or taking a big chunk of the CPU power then its an issue.

Re: Overnight Charging?

Uliwooly — Tue, 04 Jan 2011 21:23:44 GMT

if you read above I gave an example of how my phone gets really slow if I run certain apps and how Android don't stop them to free some memory nor CPU power.